From: David Wingfield <WINGFIELD@weirfoulds.com>
To: Rwright@kentlaw.edu
CC: obligations@uwo.ca
Date: 24/01/2010 05:01:42 UTC
Subject: [Spam?] Re: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

Re: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

Richard. I understand your point. I hope that you understand mine.

Why is it that the caterer has to warn the people eating the food about eggs and not that people with life threatening egg allergies have to warn the caterer that any trace elements of egg will kill him? Can it really be because the caterer was serving food to people with unique cultural practises? I think it frankly bizarre that a person with a serious allergy to a common food gets to stay silent about the allergy because of a cultural prejudice (because I am Sikh I get to assume that food I eat at a Sikh event is free of eggs "the nature of the occasion"--para 24) and thereby impose all the risk of the consequences of dying on the person who prepares the food. More to the point, in this case the caterer was liable because he did not ensure that a third party supplier of food ensured that no trace elements of egg was found in the food supplied by that third party. If one is going to impose on the caterer absolute liability for injury arising from the ingestion of trace elements of eggs I would have thought it would be because the caterer had voluntarily assumed this particular risk not because of the "nature of the occasion" which is nothing more than liability due to a cultural attribute.

David


From: Wright, Richard
To: David Wingfield
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Sent: Sat Jan 23 22:52:56 2010
Subject: RE: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

It must be one of the foreseeable risks that made the failure to warn negligent.  As others have noted, one need not warn about every foreseeable risk, especially every foreseeable allergy risk.  It indeed is reasonable to expect those with less common allergies to inquire about the contents of the food being served in many situations.
 
However, if it not only is foreseeable to the caterer that some people to whom it is serving food with eggs might have a (serious) allergy to eggs, BUT ALSO a presumed fact (which you seem to ignore) that the caterer is or should be aware that the people with such allergies to whom it is serving food are reasonably relying (albeit for cultural reasons in this particular case) on its not containing eggs and thus are unlikely to make the usual inquiry that in other circumstances arguably should be their responsibility, then it seems to to me that the caterer had a duty not to serve (or to warn about) food with eggs in it for both cultural and health reasons, that the allergy risk was one of the risks that made the conduct negligent, and that proper (just) risk allocation would be to hold the caterer liable in tort for harms that result from the unwarned about allergy risk as well as contractually for any breach of contract regarding culturally expected food content.
 
Richard


From: David Wingfield [mailto:WINGFIELD@WEIRFOULDS.COM]
Sent: Sat 1/23/2010 5:26 PM
To: Wright, Richard; robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

The trouble with 'harm results from one of the foreseeable risks that made the conduct negligent' limitation on attributable responsibility in this case is that one can (as the court's decision and the posts on this topic reveal) plausibly conclude that the harm did result from a foreseeable risk. It is foreseeable that in a large group of people someone will be allergic to some food, including food that was not supposed to be served to the guests. But it can also plausibly be argued that the catering company did not owe a duty to the person who was allergic to the eggs absent being put on specific notice of the allergy since a duty to avoid using a food for cultural reasons should not be turned into a duty not to use a food for health reasons. This is why I don't think that we get very far by arguing over which tort principle governs the outcome of the case and in whose favour. This is also why I think that the only way to resolve the case is by recourse to a policy-based argument of risk allocation.

David


From: Wright, Richard
To: David Wingfield; robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Sent: Sat Jan 23 15:22:56 2010
Subject: RE: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

As I hope my prior posts imply, I agree with David's no-liability result on the assumption that it was not reasonably foreseeable to the caterer that guests at the event might have health-threatening allergies to eggs and would, because of the Sikh religious custom, reasonably rely without inquiry on food served at the event not containing eggs.  However, we do not need to turn to extrinsic, non-tort policies to reach this result.  It is handled by the 'harm results from one of the foreseeable risks that made the conduct negligent' limitation on attributable responsibility, which is a well-established limitation on tort liability based, like the rest of tort law. on proper conceptions of just liability.  Or so I believe.
 
- Richard 


From: David Wingfield [mailto:WINGFIELD@WEIRFOULDS.COM]
Sent: Sat 1/23/2010 2:11 PM
To: robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk; Wright, Richard
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Duty, and Breaking Eggs

I don't think that this case can be analysed by a mechanical application of duty, breach damage (and/or causation/remoteness). I say this because the discussion we are having is implicitly about risk allocation and justice: what is the just allocation of the risk of serious bodily harm (or death) between a man with an extreme allergy to a common protein and a person preparing food who has agreed with a third person not to use that protein in food but has no specific knowledge of any unusual health or other physical risks to anyone arising from using  that protein? 

Tort principles justify but don't require allocating the risk in favour of the plaintiff (or his estate) and not the defendant. To make this outcome more plausible the court introduced the concept of reliance into the analysis.  But this concept also merely justifies a result by looking at the problem from the plaintiff's point of view not the defendant's.

Furthermore, the reliance in this case was not just reliance on the caterer's food preparation activities but was also, and perhaps more fundamentally,  reliance on the host's adhering to certain cultural beliefs and reliance on the host having  communicated culturally relevant dietary instructions to the caterer.

One could just as easily look at the problem from the defendant's point of view. It could easily be argued that a person with an extreme allergy to a common protein must expressly warn caterers of the allergy in order to impose liability on them because it is not just that the caterer's promise to a third person not to use the protein would have such extreme consequences if breached.  After all, the host asked the caterer in this case to promise not to use eggs in the food for purely metaphysical reasons (the host wanted adherence to supernatural cultural belief) not because of any physical concern by the host the any particular food was dangerous to anyone.  Presumably the caterer knew that the promise he made and the duty he accepted was based on cultural not health concerns.  
My view--for what ever it is worth-- is that the risk allocation question (and hence the resolution of this case) can only be answered satisfactorily by an appeal to policy.  Sensible policy would impose the risk of eating eggs on the plaintiff since he has all the relevant information about his risk of his dying from eating eggs and the best means of either minimising the liklihood of coming in contact with eggs  (by communicating the fact of his allergy to the host or the caterers or by avoiding catered dinners entirely) the physical risk if he does come in contact with eggs (carrying an antidote), etc) or the economic consequences should the risk materialise (life insurance).

David Wingfield 

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk>
To: Wright, Richard <Rwright@kentlaw.edu>
Cc: obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
Sent: Sat Jan 23 10:58:40 2010
Subject: RE: Duty, and Breaking Eggs


For me this is definitional. I prefer to say that a tort is a civil wrong.
A civil wrong is a breach of a duty owed to someone else.

So, if we say, as Richard does, that the defendant has breached his duty
to those with egg allergies when the meal is served then there is a tort,
at that moment and without more ado, with respect to all those at the meal
with the egg allergy. I don't, myself, think that is correct. Similarly, I
don't think there is any civil wrong (which is synonymous with a breach of
a duty owed to someone else) if I drunkenly drive the wrong way around a
roundabout and hit nobody. It is a duty to take care not to injure, and so
can only be breached when someone is in fact injured.

Personally, I prefer to say that there is no tort, which is the same as
saying no breach of any duty, before the egg is eaten by someone who has
assumed that there is no egg in the meal. 'Causation' is for me only a
separate distinct issue which properly arises when we are considering what
the consequences of a civil wrong are, not whether there is a civil wrong.
I cannot breach any duty owed to you without injuring you because
negligence in the air is not enough. Whether my negligence has caused you
injury is a matter going to breach, not a freestanding question in its own
right.

Of course, I do know that lots of people don't think like that. Andrews J
in Palsgraf for example, and the American Restatement (Third) of Torts
too. If you think a tort is not a civil wrong, but rather a formula or
recipe for relief, you can divide up its constituent elements in any way
you like.
Rob

> I think Rob is confusing duty and breach with causation.  If it was
> foreseeable to the defendant, given the religious circumstances, that
> people attending the Sikh event would assume that food with eggs was not
> being served and that people allergic to eggs would rely on that
> assumption, then all such people are foreseeable victims and the defendant
> has breached his duty to them by serving the food with eggs without
> warning.  If the particular plaintiff would have eaten the food containing
> eggs even if he knew about the eggs, then there is a lack of causation.
> It is the same as in any other case where a defendant omits a required
> warning, but the warning would not have been heeded by the victim.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Robert Stevens [mailto:robert.stevens@ucl.ac.uk]
> Sent: Fri 1/22/2010 10:19 AM
> To: Jones, Michael
> Cc: Robert Stevens; Hedley, Steve; obligations@uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: Duty, and Breaking Eggs
>
>
>
>> I'm not sure that the claimant's subjective reasoning process should be
>> relevant to whether the defendant owed a duty.
>
> It is a question of what makes the defendant's conduct negligent vis a vis
> the claimant. If we think that supplying eggs without warning by caterers
> is not generally negligent per se vis a vis potential consumers (and I
> think that is probably correct, unlike the case of nuts) what made it
> potentially negligent vis a vis this claimant was that on this occasion he
> would not take the normal precautions someone with an egg allergy would,
> because it was food in a Sikh temple. That is why Moor-Bick LJ stresses
> this point at para 25 (which I extracted) and why he thinks this case is
> 'unusual'. If the deceased was unaware of his egg allergy or if, as Steve
> suggests, he was the sort of person who thought "My doctor says I
> shouldn't risk eating eggs, but I don't listen to doctors" then his death
> was not wrongful as it was not the sort of injury the caterer had a duty
> to protect him from suffereing.
>
> Negligence 'in the air' is not enough, so if the claimant had died because
> he had slipped on some of the eggy ras malai spilled on the floor, no
> claim.
>
> Rob
> --
> Robert Stevens
> Professor of Commercial Law
> University College London
>
>
>
>


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Robert Stevens
Professor of Commercial Law
University College London